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August 2, 2012 DREAM FORUM
8/2/2012 7:25:33 AM
 
How long has it been since you dreamt Your Real Dream? Can you even recall?
 
There was a day you were actually someone else and knew who you were. Yo knew what you wanted to do. Your image of oureself and the world and yourself in the world was right. You were right.
 
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I am ashamed to be this good. I dream being this good will not burden your souls and sour their innate sweetness.
 
http://www.pherbertpauthor.org/The%20Excruciating%20Evolution%20by%20P%20H%20Prochnow.txt
 
 
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Best regards,
 
icestone2
 
I returned unharmed from Washington, DC. I saw gas UNL PREM and also diesel at $4.59.99/gal.
 
On top of the double decker four hour tour bus originating from the Georgetown area [been in there, students look like most, possibly paler and uglier but similar] and on foot I have seen it all from the  acres and acres of business offices between Georgetown to the National Mall to the Nam Wall to the Lincoln Monument etc etc.
 
Sharon read her husband's name at the ceremony for the ex-Nam dead, he was later collateral dead so to speak.
 
The choppy traffic in the GeorgeTown Marriot area nearly killed my ankles and the auto fumes nearly stopped my breathing , but I am still alive. Not to mention the I Roads that now resemble battle fields in spots. Heavy downpours  in a rolling canyon of 18-wheelers and water over the road. I am still alive. i dunno why.
 
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You know you did. You want it back. It winks at you in the corner of your internal eye. Your Real Dream wants you back in it. You want your Real Dream again!
 
Try to tell me what your Real Dream was. It is not the life you are living now, living today and you know that Your Real Dream is not the life you live.
 
You may not be able to express the full sweetness of Your Real Dream you oncve dreamt. You can give me what you have from your Real Dream and I may restore to you, you never know.
This part of consciousness consumes me at times. It is so worked into everything from your 'music' lyrics, to common speech and sort of hieds behind your thought processes. I want to work this forum. I fear the sarcastic and cycnical will appear. I fear losing good things inadequately phrased to my imagined criterion. Anyway, the clowns will be expunged. If I am not communicating somehow it is my fault and I must work on it.
 
" actual quantum reality of our experience is encoded onto the synapses of the brain"
We are we talking 'animal instinct' of some sort all along? I wonder! Is dream some some sub-spieces of consciousness much like the instinct that cause the geese to migrate?
What consciousness do you experience in whatever nature walks you get in the very near country of the Canon area? Have you been up in the Wet Mountains or the Sangre de Criste? You could 'thumb' it.
You know I have a recollection of Canon main street with me in the car. "El Centro" aka downtown. I have a recollection of Leadville snowing in August. The old town main street there and the old town main street Durango too. Those places are real dreamy in my mind. I have a dreamy recolledction of a elk rack [trophy mount] in a real estate office in the first town in the mountains up from Pueblo [Canon was a drive by] - this rack was prehistoric from the Wet Mountain Valley and the rack spanned something like [no sit[ eight feet] utterly prehistoric animal!!!!!
wouldn't want to be under that elk rack if an earthquake hit.
 
Nothing but a recollection. Maybe a flash of my own "Tintern Abbey". I am not living in "My Own Personal Idaho" am I? I like to think I am living in "My Own Personal Switzerland" what with all the free drugs [allusion to the free heroin in Switzerland for addicts] and old senior fart like me uses. All stuff from the docs.
I would be a fool not to use the medical benefits I have. Alla-shalla-leckum as they say in phonetic Arabic. Blessings be.
 
 
"FIVE years have past; five summers, with the length
      Of five long winters! and again I hear
      These waters, rolling from their mountain-springs
      With a soft inland murmur.--Once again
      Do I behold these steep and lofty cliffs,
      That on a wild secluded scene impress
      Thoughts of more deep seclusion; and connect
      The landscape with the quiet of the sky.
      The day is come when I again repose
      Here, under this dark sycamore, and view                        10
      These plots of cottage-ground, these orchard-tufts,
      Which at this season, with their unripe fruits,
      Are clad in one green hue, and lose themselves
      'Mid groves and copses. Once again I see
      These hedge-rows, hardly hedge-rows, little lines
      Of sportive wood run wild: these pastoral farms,
      Green to the very door; and wreaths of smoke
      Sent up, in silence, from among the trees!
      With some uncertain notice, as might seem
      Of vagrant dwellers in the houseless woods,                     20
      Or of some Hermit's cave, where by his fire
      The Hermit sits alone.
                              These beauteous forms,
      Through a long absence, have not been to me
      As is a landscape to a blind man's eye:
      But oft, in lonely rooms, and 'mid the din
      Of towns and cities, I have owed to them
      In hours of weariness, sensations sweet,
      Felt in the blood, and felt along the heart;
      And passing even into my purer mind,
      With tranquil restoration:--feelings too                        30
      Of unremembered pleasure: such, perhaps,
      As have no slight or trivial influence
      On that best portion of a good man's life,
      His little, nameless, unremembered, acts
      Of kindness and of love. Nor less, I trust,
      To them I may have owed another gift,
      Of aspect more sublime; that blessed mood,
      In which the burthen of the mystery,
      In which the heavy and the weary weight
      Of all this unintelligible world,                               40
      Is lightened:--that serene and blessed mood,
      In which the affections gently lead us on,--
      Until, the breath of this corporeal frame
      And even the motion of our human blood
      Almost suspended, we are laid asleep
      In body, and become a living soul:
      While with an eye made quiet by the power
      Of harmony, and the deep power of joy,
      We see into the life of thing. "
 
http://www.bartleby.com/145/ww138.html
I honestly can not expect everyone to Address Tintern Abbey. I can not expect you to actually read the opening lines. I can not forget that William Wordsworth is so utterly dead and buried by our society and particularly the mass media.  I can not forget that the average American's education has been neglected nor should I ever expect that anyone on Delphi Forums especially would be able to make a comment on literature much less the human mind and more distinctly the dream process inherent, or underlying creative expression.
I honestly can not expect everyone to Address Tintern Abbey. I can not expect you to actually read the opening lines. I can not forget that William Wordsworth is so utterly dead and buried by our society and particularly the mass media.  I can not forget that the average American's education has been neglected nor should I ever expect that anyone on Delphi Forums especially would be able to make a comment on literature much less the human mind and more distinctly the dream process inherent, or underlying creative expression.
2.35 in reply to 2.34 
Are your Dream Powers burning brightly? Are you all lit up?
 
You are in one exciting town. You should connect to something great. I can see you in the Lambo, all excepting those cars being Flying Landbound Coffins. You must be kissing 40 goodbye in the rearview mirrors by now, so your reaction times might not qual you to Lambo!
 
Did Augustine live before the Roman Emperor Constantine?
 
I love this man in touch with dreaming, intellectualization, humanity:
 
 In hours of weariness, sensations sweet,
Felt in the blood, and felt along the heart;
And passing even into my purer mind,
With tranquil restoration:--feelings too 
Of unremembered pleasure: such, perhaps,
As have no slight or trivial influence
On that best portion of a good man's life,
His little, nameless, unremembered, acts
Of kindness and of love. Nor less, I trust,
To them I may have owed another gift,
Of aspect more sublime; that blessed mood,
In which the burthen of the mystery,
In which the heavy and the weary weight
Of all this unintelligible world, 
Is lightened:--that serene and blessed mood,
In which the affections gently lead us on,--
Until, the breath of this corporeal frame
And even the motion of our human blood
Almost suspended, we are laid asleep
In body, and become a living soul:
While with an eye made quiet by the power
Of harmony, and the deep power of joy,
We see into the life of thing. "
maybe that situation is too complex to even assess...at least with our minds. it's kind of using the hair of the dog that bit us, to expect our minds to tell us why our minds are holding us back. i've come to see this conundrum as being like a hostage situation, with us facing demands that we're both making and trying to meet at the same time.
 
some say we are body, mind and spirit- and that when all three create together [even for a moment], we become extremely powerful.
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I have lost my real dream. It winks at me for a second and disappears at the strangest moments when I am in a Nirvana or relaxed mindless state, but oddly realizing it in reality causes it to disappear.
 
As best as I can recollect my real dream was an Edenic vision. I was the benevolent paternal entity or "all-in-one" with the vision. There seemed to be no actual thought involved or conscious spectating, or critical thought. As the Propitious One, all was right and hummed with a perfect unity, beauty, and joy.
 
This poem I read in the attachment is addressed to me, addressed to my lost real dream state I live in, the state we all live in.
Say we substitute chakras with the western term soul.
 
Am I saying a Real Dream, a True Dream is outside normal mentation as we know it? Am i saying it is not a matter of contemplation? I may be delving into the realm of Transcendentalism as the Romantic Poets did all those decades and centuries ago as I only have access to learning in the English language myself.
 
Coleridge, Wordsworth, Donne. Hummm. A bad influence on my souls or mind? That may be the question.
 
I used to walk the street west from Downer Avenue in Milwaukee on a street that apparently has lost it's name as a mall way [the way from the old red brick antique halls of the English Dept.], and have these glorious waking visions after lessons. AND mind you I started in at the University there at the age of 17 and three months.
 
Then again there were always more primordial Real Dreams earlier in my life
 
it sounds like you were engaging your chakras with that experience...letting the life energy of the all come in.
 
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I actually have never use any techniques at all. Can we reach transcendence with less conscious effort? Is it a natural thing? The Real Dream is there in the "back of my mind".
 
Can you give any sort of a snapshot of you Real Dream? Are we all sarcastic when we come to trying to express our Real Dream, our True, heartfelt, more or less subconscious, Dream?
 
maybe our real dream IS expressed, serially, in every action we take...we always act on what we believe, not on what we THINK we believe
 
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The "maybe" sconced in there makes it a good question. Yes, a very worthy question. Our acts make us who we are, to be sure. They say the "devil" makes us relive our sins and he relishes every stinking sin we ever do. I feel people do have a sense of right and wrong built in. So, when we do wrong there is some suffering, some mental anguish or some sort, involved except for the most psychotic of individuals. If things eat you up for a prolonged period you naturally wish to not repeat! You wish to do things that will somehow even you up with your conscious. NOW. Is that the real dream you once had? It makes you a good actor in life perhaps. Dream and action, dream and action. HUH! they work on one another but in my mind are separate.
 
Dream, to me is very unconscious. Very spontaneous. I feel the concept of Eden from the holy book, the status of human life in Eden, is an ultimate dream. Is it a state much like the state we experience in the womb? Is our realest truest dream much like the experience Paul Atreides has when he drinks the Water of Life" in "Dune"? I seriously so not know. At this point I do not ever know if I will recapture my real dream or if I even know what it is.
GREAT ANALOGY! We all, ALL, HAVE dreamt that real dream. I feel mine was more or less fleeting, not even a prolonged four day drunk as an analogy. A mere fleeting flash? I wrote a few old poems that dwell, embellish, or in some way express it. They have no publisher and are not in digital electronic text format, i am sort of rewriting them in my mind now as THEY are not memorized as I do not perform.
..i believe after we die, we leave the rigors of linear time and acquire the ability to replay our lives...we can choose to revisit the smallest portion of them, or relive the entire thing in an instant with complete understanding of all we ever wondered about
 
Given the amount of time one might be granted in eternity it maikes sense
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I personally see a few infrastructure rough spots. I-90 shows some concrete loss and they are grouting it up as needed. How about the I-94  bridge WI to MN the collapse???  History anniversary of that now.
They got to do something. Parcel Post parallels FedEx and UPS so it is First Class Postage and JUNK MAIL RATE.....I saw rape the JUNK MALIERS----double them up and pay for US Citizens postal services...through gloom and snow and etc.
In those years of Caddy it is hard to catch the scope of the vehicle from a photo. They are big guy walk-in size. I used to haunt old car shows and sat in on , maybe a '30.
be glad you have the grey matter to see something's wrong. most people stare slack-jawed and drooling at the boob tube, oblivious. it's both a blessing and a curse.
If the cash was worse for me I would be out joining Alex Jones with my own bull horn. People are rewarded for working, and I wonder how long my rewards will last. I wonder if I could do a job or get a job.
------------- just paid my FaceBook bill, did you send in yours?  Ha ha ha!
you jest, but it might come to that...one thing for sure, if they made a true pay site out of it they'd be rolling in money. i get invites from them but have never done anything beyond registering.
I am not paying for Delphi but there have been other online communications before FaceBook and some were pay and some were gratis. Hip hip hooray DELPHI is gratis. FaceBook is a glorified email ysytem with 'photo bucket' tied in and simplified.  End of FaceBook analysis. A lot of people use it.
Syria has got the gas. Is there THIS MALEVOLENCE for the Syrian Army to use some? The gas use would rain a world of hurt on the Syrian Army rather quickly and a minor international conflagration could occur.
 
Look. In the Mideast in general there are so many hungry dirt bags out of work and destitute they will fight and fight under one flag or another as rebels.....vicious cycle. 
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Just because I took my pension......well, at least I got a bit of a payback if shit collapses tomorrow. Ha ha! 
This guys argument is TOO HAIRY!!!  When the market crashes good and hard I will buy into it as there is no way chaos and poverty will reign supreme. The fat gets pulled out of the fire just like FFFing  2008 --NO MATTER WHAT THESE MORONS SAY!!!!
The USGOVT will not starve tens of millions of Soc Sec people....no they won't . Not even "W" Bush is as rad as that. His cronies might knock down the Twin Towers and call it terror [as some conspiracy people would have it] , but mass starvation, kicking granny under the bus will never happen.
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As of today, the total credit market debt is 357% larger than GDP. That represents an astounding $691,000 for a family of four in America.
Yet the doubling period for this gets shorter at an exponential rate that increases every day. "It's a very dangerous exponential growth curve," says Martenson, "one that's setting us up for a situation worse than we've seen in Greece and across Europe."
"...  don't see the controllers embarking on a depopulation program, but my whole point is they don't have to. all they have to do is let things blow up and then do nothing. the madness of crowds will do the rest. letting food get cut off to the cities will wreak all the havok [havoc?] they could ask for. people [by not preparing] will depopulate themselves..."
YEAH. What do you call Syria right now??? It may not be a bad idea to have a survival pack in the house and can goods for a short time. I am with HS and FEMA and I will go help as advised and the GOVT will feed the workers. If you sit in your hovel and rot --too bad. I can still get up on my feet and do stuff. Here in the US we can go martial law of food and water and so forth and people will carry on. About their financial credits-----I say they are preserved in some manner.
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354.1372 in reply to 354.1365 
Baba Wawa and HRM MADAME Diane Sawyer PhD, MS, SS, BA, BA, BAA and more BS
never told the tale like this. Like an "Apocalypse Now" rendition or the wildly popular and highly lauded "over there'  --  ragheadville I guess it is.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-01/military-mental-health-crisis-exposed-with-camp-liberty-killings.html
Mental man......really mental  as in psychotic, let's take the kitty apart psycho.
 there's got to be underlying personality flaws...in other words, these guys were assholes before they flamed out. and when's the last time a woman went postal somewhere? what is the significance of this fact?
i've got APOCALYPSE NOW on disc, the three hour plus special edition. i only saw it on regular TV years ago, i really want to give myself to it this time. i hear you have to see it multiple times to get the gist of it.  "you're neither...you're an errand boy, sent by grocers" ahh, brando.
Massive metaphor caused that flick. The shock/horror made the hoi polloi go but the lit crit knows better once it is analysed.
 
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 I personally see a few infrastructure rough spots. I-90 shows some concrete loss and they are grouting it up as needed. How about the I-94  bridge WI to MN the collapse???  History anniversary of that now.
They got to do something. Parcel Post parallels FedEx and UPS so it is First Class Postage and JUNK MAIL RATE.....I saw rape the JUNK MALIERS----double them up and pay for US Citizens postal services...through gloom and snow and etc.
In those years of Caddy it is hard to catch the scope of the vehicle from a photo. They are big guy walk-in size. I used to haunt old car shows and sat in on , maybe a '30.
be glad you have the grey matter to see something's wrong. most people stare slack-jawed and drooling at the boob tube, oblivious. it's both a blessing and a curse.
If the cash was worse for me I would be out joining Alex Jones with my own bull horn. People are rewarded for working, and I wonder how long my rewards will last. I wonder if I could do a job or get a job.
------------- just paid my FaceBook bill, did you send in yours?  Ha ha ha!
you jest, but it might come to that...one thing for sure, if they made a true pay site out of it they'd be rolling in money. i get invites from them but have never done anything beyond registering.
I am not paying for Delphi but there have been other online communications before FaceBook and some were pay and some were gratis. Hip hip hooray DELPHI is gratis. FaceBook is a glorified email ysytem with 'photo bucket' tied in and simplified.  End of FaceBook analysis. A lot of people use it.
Syria has got the gas. Is there THIS MALEVOLENCE for the Syrian Army to use some? The gas use would rain a world of hurt on the Syrian Army rather quickly and a minor international conflagration could occur.
 
Look. In the Mideast in general there are so many hungry dirt bags out of work and destitute they will fight and fight under one flag or another as rebels.....vicious cycle. 
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Just because I took my pension......well, at least I got a bit of a payback if shit collapses tomorrow. Ha ha! 
This guys argument is TOO HAIRY!!!  When the market crashes good and hard I will buy into it as there is no way chaos and poverty will reign supreme. The fat gets pulled out of the fire just like FFFing  2008 --NO MATTER WHAT THESE MORONS SAY!!!!
The USGOVT will not starve tens of millions of Soc Sec people....no they won't . Not even "W" Bush is as rad as that. His cronies might knock down the Twin Towers and call it terror [as some conspiracy people would have it] , but mass starvation, kicking granny under the bus will never happen.
x x x x x x x  x x x x x x x   x x x x x x x   x x x x x x x   x x x x x x x  
As of today, the total credit market debt is 357% larger than GDP. That represents an astounding $691,000 for a family of four in America.
Yet the doubling period for this gets shorter at an exponential rate that increases every day. "It's a very dangerous exponential growth curve," says Martenson, "one that's setting us up for a situation worse than we've seen in Greece and across Europe."
"...  don't see the controllers embarking on a depopulation program, but my whole point is they don't have to. all they have to do is let things blow up and then do nothing. the madness of crowds will do the rest. letting food get cut off to the cities will wreak all the havok [havoc?] they could ask for. people [by not preparing] will depopulate themselves..."
YEAH. What do you call Syria right now??? It may not be a bad idea to have a survival pack in the house and can goods for a short time. I am with HS and FEMA and I will go help as advised and the GOVT will feed the workers. If you sit in your hovel and rot --too bad. I can still get up on my feet and do stuff. Here in the US we can go martial law of food and water and so forth and people will carry on. About their financial credits-----I say they are preserved in some manner.
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354.1372 in reply to 354.1365 
Baba Wawa and HRM MADAME Diane Sawyer PhD, MS, SS, BA, BA, BAA and more BS
never told the tale like this. Like an "Apocalypse Now" rendition or the wildly popular and highly lauded "over there'  --  ragheadville I guess it is.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-01/military-mental-health-crisis-exposed-with-camp-liberty-killings.html
Mental man......really mental  as in psychotic, let's take the kitty apart psycho.
 there's got to be underlying personality flaws...in other words, these guys were assholes before they flamed out. and when's the last time a woman went postal somewhere? what is the significance of this fact?
i've got APOCALYPSE NOW on disc, the three hour plus special edition. i only saw it on regular TV years ago, i really want to give myself to it this time. i hear you have to see it multiple times to get the gist of it.  "you're neither...you're an errand boy, sent by grocers" ahh, brando.
Massive metaphor caused that flick. The shock/horror made the hoi polloi go but the lit crit knows better once it is analysed.
 
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I am not paying for Delphi but there have been other online communications before FaceBook and some were pay and some were gratis. Hip hip hooray DELPHI is gratis.FaceBook is a glorified email ysytem with 'photo bucket' tied in and simplified.  End of FaceBook analysis. A lot of people use it.
 
They might even be able to tailor the ads you see. The online shoppiong items you look at. Maybe it is them, maybe not. Who reads those long fine print agreements for clicker -deals to obtain an online service?
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202.1100 in reply to 202.1099 
You can hear the Iranian hornets buzzing about the $100M +/ day loss in revenues almost, can't you?
202.1101 in reply to 202.1100 
i hope israel doesn't get any funny ideas...but the entire nation IS one, big funny idea...so i'm not confident. if we get dragged into iran for an occupation there will be a military draft, guaranteed. the disenfranchised young in this country will get suckered in to some kind of national program, by promises of money and career/education help. some hybrid program that's half army, half civilian...one of those "joint" things, probably with a whole new government agency presiding over it.
 
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Sorry----it is  a spahetti bowl there.  a number of bridges.
 
WE GOT A RAINY DAY!!!  NO open wheel bicycle ride ---unless you want the wett ass/back.------------seems a weird occurrence when in a drought. ...We could get 1/2"  pathetic drizzle right here. Some SPOTS get and inch, others get a baerly a thing or a 'promise'.
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 Apple remained the No. 1 tablet vendor, with 68% of roughly 25 million units shipped in the quarter, followed by Samsung with 10% and Amazon.com with 5%, 
 
 
...........and they buy the hacks from Apple Corp with the unit. Deep within they can watch, they do watch, and do sell your information in a clandestine manner.
 
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/apple-expands-tablet-share-with-record-ipad-sales-2012-08-02?link=MW_latest_news
 
I wish I knew a way to not get the hack ships in a tablet as they are so utterly insecure for information and shopping.
 
I work 'so hard' to make my computers 'mine' but I am not a Linux code writer. I use M$ on my PCs and various AV on top of the Windows Firewall. I hope I am safe. I 
 
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Do you do Windows Updates?  You should M$ and sock it to you and you might as well sign up for the 'improvement program'.
 
Do  you run the  Windows 7 .NET Framework updates? They install in a breathtakingly evi long time. Something happens in there. Look if you do not run barebones Linux and never surf and never wired or wirelessed to the internet you MAY be safe from hack attacks. You need to go to computer school many a year to even think you are safe or prove you are safe to yourself.  Yeah it is paranoia- ville all the way to the max.
 
that fine print is crafted by mutant maniac attorneys who live to screw the most people with the least verbiage. if an offer is legit, it doesn't need 15K of fine print.
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victor was right (KFinspector)   10:03 am 
To: that one guy (icestone2)   unread (975 of 975) 
  521.975 in reply to 521.974 
if you can't beat them, join them....
 
still, you wouldn't want FEMA swooping down on your locale in a national emergency. they'll comandeer you and your skills, and ship you out somewhere before you can say "WTF". maybe if you played up your medical troubles they'd leave you alone, but don't be fooled by their smiley happy persona- those kid gloves will come off under martial law.
 
steve quayle and others are saying there's a gun grab coming that you wouldn't believe. basically a nationwide kill operation, where they come for the gun OWNERS, not the guns. real hardcore tag 'em and bag 'em stuff, as crazy as it gets. why is it i can't rule that stuff out?
 
PP-----------but i know in my bones that could never happen without a huge mofo terrorist attack, and that attack would have to be blamed on anti-government people.
You must be on the right side of MARTIAL LAW.......I was under the Uniform Code of Military Justice and full "GET" the feeling. I can groove with the feeling, but I must be on the right side of the thing.  If the slice of bread ffell to the floor on the unbuttered side I would eat it.
 
 
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